Re: Piggy-Bank feedback

From: Stefano Mazzocchi <>
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 17:13:06 -0500

Eric Miller wrote:
> On Feb 2, 2005, at 3:44 PM, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
>> DuCharme, Bob (LNG-CHO) wrote:
>>> I think that dealing with untyped nodes in proper RDF should be a
>>> higher
>>> priority than dealing with non-RDF, because Piggy-Bank already goes
>>> so far
>>> in breaking the chicken/egg cycle of
>>> not-enough-RDF-data-out-there/no-good-apps-to-take-advantage-of-RDF-
>>> data. If
>>> can find triples in an RDF file, then
>>> Piggy-Bank should be able to do something with them.
>> I don't think it's hard to stop PB from harvesting untyped nodes, the
>> problem is what do you do with them, I mean, in what category you
>> place them in!
> yep.
>> We might have a "misc" category where all the untyped stuff ends up
>> being.... but honestly, I think it's a lot better, at this stage, to
>> kinda "push" people to type their data rather than adjusting PB to
>> digest their unflavored one ;-)
> I'd suggest that a 'misc' (or something) category eventually makes
> sense. As one navigates, and runs across more RDF data, the type of
> information associated with a resource may be merged or inferred. At
> that point the resources would move from the 'misc' category into
> something(s) else.

That's a good point. Like for good pigs, we don't throw away anything ;-)

> Further, I think it would also eventually be handy to allow the end
> user to associate one or more type(s) with these at any time. The
> ability to add comments now to this is a good start, but there is more
> than can, should be done ... plus enabling user / RDF editing is on the
> list of Simile deliverables :)


Sure! do you want commit access?


> That being said, like you mentioned I like the idea of using this
> 'feature' of not rendering untyped nodes as a means for getting people
> to type their work. Focusing work on fresnel and RDF editing, however,
> should enable the end user to do (smarter) things with unknown /
> untyped data. Make sense?

Well, easy there, what I talked about was making an structured editor
given an RDFSchema... here we don't even have node types! we never
talked about a general-purpose RDF-editing tool (even if I know David is
interested in that) and for sure I'm not going to attack that problem (I
already tried in XML and saw how bottomless the pit is!)

Stefano Mazzocchi
Research Scientist                 Digital Libraries Research Group
Massachusetts Institute of Technology            location: E25-131C
77 Massachusetts Ave                   telephone: +1 (617) 253-1096
Cambridge, MA  02139-4307              email: stefanom at mit . edu
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